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     Andrius Stankus (Andrius3d) New member Username: Andrius3d Post Number: 1 Registered: 9-2011 Rating: N/A |
Okay, TOTALLY newbie here. I need a solution and am hoping someone here can help. It's simple. I render out sidebyside frames from 3ds Max. I then want to take those frames and create a movie to be burned to BluRay then played on a 3dtv. The 3d format needs to be polarized. Specifically circular polarized. Nobody can help, evrybody is doing anaglyph. Does anybody know of any software out there for the PC that will spit out a polarized 3d movie format????? Thanks in advance, Andrius | ||
| Larry Elie (Ldeliecomcastnet) Senior Member Username: Ldeliecomcastnet Post Number: 156 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: N/A |
No, that's not the way it works. Those frames already ARE side by side. The polarization comes at the projector level; not at the formatting level. If you want to make a 3D blu-ray, you give the software the side-by-side video, and it set's up the formatting. Roxio has a MYDVD version that does this, but there are many tools that can. | ||
| Andrius Stankus (Andrius3d) New member Username: Andrius3d Post Number: 2 Registered: 9-2011 Rating: N/A |
Larry- Thanks so much for replying! So I found at Roxio the CinePlayer. Let me see if I got this right because documentation there is very generic. I can take my side by side frames and import them. I can then create a movie that is FORMATTED for 3D polarization. I know you said the formatting will occur at the projection level but what do I output the movie at anyways? I can then take that movie and burn to a BluRay and watch it on a 3DTV. This cannot be anaglyph but polarized 3d. SO: 1-Can I watch this using cheap cardboard circular 3d glasses or does it have to be Real3D glasses? 2-Does it have to be shown on a projector or can it play on a BluRay settop player? One that you can buy at a BestBuy or something, nd can I watch this on a regular 3dtv? 3-What movie format should the polarized movie be? A .avi, .mov... Again Larry thank you so much, getting answers has been somewhat challenging. Best, Andrius (Message edited by andrius3d on September 26, 2011) (Message edited by andrius3d on September 26, 2011) | ||
| Larry Elie (Ldeliecomcastnet) Senior Member Username: Ldeliecomcastnet Post Number: 157 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: N/A |
Format as a 3D Blu Ray, if that's what you want. How you DISPLAY that might be with circular polarizers, but it depends on how you are going to view it. I have no idea how you intend to view this. For example, a 3D Blu Ray could display with shutter glasses (on a tv or computer designed for shutter glasses) or on a computer designed to be glassesless, would display there too. It could be projected (on a silver screened dual projector system) as linear or circularly polarized system. You are confusing the display type with the formating of the media; they are somewhat independent. BTW, the 'cheap cardboard glasses' (if not color anaglyph) are 95% of the time linearly polarized; real glasses are circularly polarized. I hope this is less confusing, but without knowing how you intend to play the movie I really don't know what you are looking for. | ||
| Andrius Stankus (Andrius3d) New member Username: Andrius3d Post Number: 3 Registered: 9-2011 Rating: N/A |
Larry- The project is a company that wants to send out paper 3d glasses to their clients. They will then bring those glasses to their booth at a tradeshow. On a 3dtv they will show a 60 sec looping film about one of their products. They want me to create this animation and then give them a BluRay disk so they can play it on their 3dtv. They don't want it to be anagaylph but polarized. From what I understand all they need to achieve this is a 3dbluray player, circular polarized 3d glasses and a 3dtv. Now I hear to achieve polarized you need a projector or special screens. From your knowledge is this possible??????? Thanks again, Andrius | ||
| Larry Elie (Ldeliecomcastnet) Senior Member Username: Ldeliecomcastnet Post Number: 158 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: N/A |
I don't think it will work. A very few TV's were built this year with passive (circular) polarization. Pannesonic and Samung I think. Other than that, no TV's use polarized glasses. Google Passive 3D TV's. | ||
| Andrius Stankus (Andrius3d) New member Username: Andrius3d Post Number: 4 Registered: 9-2011 Rating: N/A |
Larry, so if I have a passive 3dtv(my client is huge and can afford it), like the Samsung, what will actually play the BluRay disk? Is there a special 3dBluRay player or other product on the market? Or will any 3DBluRay player suffice? And on the production side. In my software I will render out sidebyside frames. But that's what they are, just frames. Once I have those frames I'll create a movie, like a quicktime. It'll be a sidebyside quicktime, or do I need a piece of software that will combine each of the sidebyside frames into single frames? Hope I'm not frustrating you with all these questions. Thanks, Andrius | ||
| Larry Elie (Ldeliecomcastnet) Senior Member Username: Ldeliecomcastnet Post Number: 159 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: N/A |
Any 3D Blu-Ray player will work for those TV's. I have not used that piece of software, but I would expect it to work. Worst case, make two files (careful with the timing) by re-framing. | ||
| Andrius Stankus (Andrius3d) New member Username: Andrius3d Post Number: 5 Registered: 9-2011 Rating: N/A |
Larry- I was speaking generally. Do you know of a software that will convert sidebyside frames into a movie format for polarization? Thanks for all your help. It's really been eye opening!!! Andrius | ||
| Larry Elie (Ldeliecomcastnet) Senior Member Username: Ldeliecomcastnet Post Number: 160 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: N/A |
http://www.videohelp.com/tools/sections/authoring-bd-hd-dvd The only one I have seen work is the ArcSoft, (and I did not try from side-by-side to Blu-Ray output because I didn't need to) but ANY Blu Ray AUTHORING program that supports 3D should do this quite easily. | ||
| Andrius Stankus (Andrius3d) New member Username: Andrius3d Post Number: 6 Registered: 9-2011 Rating: N/A |
Thanks Larry- I'm hoping this will do it as well: http://www.roxio.com/enu/products/cineplayer/standard/features.html Andrius | ||
| Larry Elie (Ldeliecomcastnet) Senior Member Username: Ldeliecomcastnet Post Number: 161 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: N/A |
It should be fine. | ||
| Tony Asch (Tone) Member Username: Tone Post Number: 59 Registered: 8-2006 Rating: N/A |
Vizio makes a number of 3D LCD TVs which use passive circular polarized glasses. I happen to own an E3D420VX. Pretty much any circular polarized glasses I own work perfectly. Also, any material that can be played back in side-by-side format, where left and right frames are squished horizontally by a factor of 2, will work just fine in 3D. The TV also supports top-bottom format where the image is squished vertically. Works fine with SBS or TB material recorded on DVD, Blu-Ray, web streaming, or any computer media player which supports full screen playback. Assuming you have SBS frames from 3DS-Max, you just need to squish 'em down horizontally to 1920x1080 for Blue-Ray, or 720x480 for DVD. From that point on you're just burning a standard Blue-Ray disk or a standard DVD. Any BR or DVD player will work for playback. There's a menu setting in the Vizio TVs which tells the TV that the incoming video is SBS and should be treated as 3D. The image squishing could be done with Premiere, After Effects, Vegas, Virtual Dub, etc... Or even better, you can save rendering time in 3DS-Max and render squished images with a pixel aspect ratio of 0.5. This should accelerate your render times significantly. To summarize, you need no special software or playback hardware, other than one of these Vizio TVs which come in a variety of sizes. VRtifacts.com | ||
| Andrius Stankus (Andrius3d) New member Username: Andrius3d Post Number: 7 Registered: 9-2011 Rating: N/A |
Thanks Tony. This is what my client bought: http://www.walmart.com/ip/LG-42LW5300/16878625?sourceid=1500000000000003183800&srccode=cii_9939267&cpncode=28-4835175#ProductDetail I did some research and I think it'll work. I then went out and bought a 3d monitor (http://www.amazon.com/LG-D2342P-PN-23-Inch-Widescreen-Passive/dp/B004WK3R4U) and this software for viewing and merging the SBS frames: http://www.roxio.com/enu/products/cineplayer/standard/features.html I've already done some tests and I see that it's working. I render out SBS, import them and then output it as a movie with polarized setting. I can then view the clip in 3d but I have to specify to the viewer I want to watch it in polarized mode. otherwise it wants to show it anaglyph. But that's on my computer. Once it's in a player hooked up to a 3dtv how will it know to display it as polarized instead of anaglyph. That's my next hurdle, hopefully it prompts me for that. Thanks again for all the help I have received here!!!!!! Andrius | ||
| Tony Asch (Tone) Member Username: Tone Post Number: 60 Registered: 8-2006 Rating: N/A |
Don't know why you need the fancy Roxio player. You can build SBS video in whatever video editor you use already, or even AVISynth. For playback Windows Media Player or Media Player Classic is just fine. This way you avoid the whole confusion of the Roxio player deciding between anaglyph and side-by-side. You just use the menu on the TV to say that the incoming video is 3D SBS. BTW, there is no such thing as "polarized" video format. Polarization is an optical process that happens within the optics of a TV or projector. Usually the source video will be side-by-side, top-bottom, interlaced, or dual stream. Also, don't bother with the bundled Tri-def software on the LG. It just will confuse things more! VRtifacts.com | ||
| Andrius Stankus (Andrius3d) New member Username: Andrius3d Post Number: 8 Registered: 9-2011 Rating: N/A |
Tony- Once I make a SBS movie from the frames rendered in 3dsMax and open it up in Windows Media Player is shows it as SBS. If I open it up in the Roxio CinePlayer I can view it as "Line Polarized LCD display". I can then see how the 3d effect looks. Are you saying I can view it that way as well in Windows Media Player? Because I can't find any settings there that will allow me to. http://www.earlyexcel.com/Player01.jpg Also, Roxio prompts me to export my video to a certain format, and I have been choosing RealD format. I'm assuming that when they say this they are exporting it as interlaced???? It's just a fancy way of saying interlaced??? maybe???? http://www.earlyexcel.com/Player02.jpg | ||
| Tony Asch (Tone) Intermediate Member Username: Tone Post Number: 61 Registered: 8-2006 Rating: N/A |
Are you saying I can view it that way as well in Windows Media Player? Because I can't find any settings there that will allow me to. See page 14 of the LG Owner's Manual The setting is in the monitor! Set your monitor to 3D Side-by-Side and you can use ANY player: WMP, VHS videotape, iPod, etc... It's just normal video (anything from NTSC to hi-def) that contains the left frames on the left half of the screen, and the right frames on the right half of the screen. Your video frames will look like this. VRtifacts.com | ||
| Andrius Stankus (Andrius3d) New member Username: Andrius3d Post Number: 9 Registered: 9-2011 Rating: N/A |
Thank you Tony! | ||
| Tony Asch (Tone) Intermediate Member Username: Tone Post Number: 62 Registered: 8-2006 Rating: N/A |
Here's how to watch any YouTube 3D video on your LG monitor. This demonstrates what you should do with your 3D animation. Youtube 3D setup for passive polarized LCD monitor using side-by-side video VRtifacts.com |
