| Author | Message | ||
     Dave Rating: N/A |
How immersive is the z800? ie how much ambient light is let it while wearing it? How would it compare to the i-glasses in that respect? | ||
| cutlass Rating: N/A |
The Z800 was designed to allow some peripheral vision on both sides to minimize the possibility of VR sickness, which as you know is similar to seasickness. This works for most people, but as a result you sacrifice total immersion. Dispite this, the visor still gives a stunning viewing experience, particularly in 3d. If you are inventive you can do a little customizing. Here's an interesting example... http://www.stereo3d.com/discus/messages/24/3521.html?1128914914#POST20336 | ||
| anon Rating: N/A |
When will these HMD manufacturers learn that gamers want immersion. | ||
| Steve Rating: N/A |
I know there is not a cover for the Z800 and will let light bleed into the sides, that is not very immersive. You can get a cover for the i-glasses. I think Kevin made this at one time.. | ||
| Don Rating: N/A |
So the Z800 is not immersive  | ||
| cutlass Rating: N/A |
> If by immersive you mean completely cut off from outside light, you are right. But if we are speaking of the visual sense of being immersed in the image, then I would say the Z800 is immersive. I tried the Z800 at one of the recent shows, and I immediately felt "in" the game (Half-Life) or rather in a littered subway car. The 3d accounted for part of that feeling, but the headtracking capped it off. I was too "immersed" looking around, as if I was physically in the subway car, to be conscious of the light to the each side, but i could see a bit of light if I looked for it. It struck me that it would be easy enough to use the Z800 in a darkened room or with some sort of rig to block the light. | ||
| Don Rating: N/A |
Thanks cutlass for the information, I really will have to try before I buy. I have read to much bad press about the product to buy sight unseen. | ||
| cutlass Rating: N/A |
don, the press hasn't been bad on balance, nor have the firsthand accounts, but I agree that a tryout first is good if you feel you can't rely on reviews and reports. From what I've read the one's who have actually bought and described their experiece do a better job reviewing than the press does. Some reporters are a bit too gushy while others don't give it enough time. | ||
| paul Rating: N/A |
Cutlass why does it bother you if someone buys the z800 or not? Why are there soo many posts about it from people that may have only posted 1 or 2 times in the last few years? Stangely enough only since the prodcut has been released... Why do all the old hands post there impressions and their impressions are not that good? Why are there no reviews on hardware review sites? Why spend $900 on something you can't be sure works in the first place? Why do people fill the NEWS thread and not the HMD thread which is where all these discussions belong...? A lot of product promotion seems to be going on. Don like you I'm less than impressed by what people have to say about this product. $900 is a lot to shell out given the flaws mentioned... This post for instance ( by someone who is active in the community and knows what he is on about) and (plenty of other): http://www.stereo3d.com/discus/messages/24/3536.html?1129455284 I expect this will get shot down by someone which is a pity because a lot of the experienced old hands are abandoning this board as it now seems to serve as a marketing tool for emagine more than serving the 3d community. | ||
| TigerClaw Rating: N/A |
In the end I have not bought the z800. The main problem is, after reading all posts on this board and on sterevosion forum, the quality can't balance the price. If they will start to sell it at 400-500 $ it will became immediately a must have but for 900$ you can have a very good CRT monitor, shutter glasses and a 3D tracker and you will not have dead pixels, grany images, low resolution. | ||
| Mopheta Rating: N/A |
Good decision TigerClaw (I think). This is a curious toy, but it is not very usefull. The image is not good enought(I said in other thread), and tracking is not usefull because motion failures (it works smooth, but you must center, recenter, recenter, etc, etc.... and you will prefer not to use), and the quality of sound is poor... so you have a 800x600 visual toy with not enought video quality at 900$. Software is not good enought (little bugs and poor options), poor compatibility, only compatible with 800x600 signal, no AC power included (you must buy them separately), poweroff problems because a stupid power management saved in eprom that you can´t edit, very short vga cable included (you need to buy another), very short audio cables... This is a product done to make money. Not good enought and expensive, with no atention to little details, and seem that with no support for software to correct minor bugs. | ||
| AlbusD Rating: N/A |
Put it on eBay Mopheta - you'll get most of your money back and you can wait for something better to come along. | ||
| Mopheta Rating: N/A |
Thanks AlbusD, but I don´t need the money. | ||
| madjack Rating: N/A |
I think you guys are being over-critical. I'm having fun with mine. I agree with the crits that have been raised (focal issues, graininess etc..) and it is expensive for what it does, but if you've got the cash, it's a fun product. | ||
| AlbusD Rating: N/A |
Okay there big-time. Daddy warbucks Huh? Gonna swallow that whole 900 beans.Wow. Maybe buy yourself a colonic then and stop the belly-whining? Yeah - I know - it's a public forum etc etc. But I've seen you slamming this thing since before it came out here and elsewhere. And anyone who congratulates another poster on his decision to pass on buying one - or recommends that someone else buy - or not but - one - has ulterior motive and a lack of scruples. Same goes for the Icuiti-flamers and trimersion trashers. Find something better to do , and somewhere else to do it. | ||
| Paul Rating: N/A |
Mopheta thanks for your help and advice on this and the other forums that you post on. Glad to see we got past the issues you were having with LCDs. Given the fact that support for the other issues that you raised with Nvidia (about the driver we all rely on) was forthcoming, is down to your persisitance on these and other forums on behalf of the whole 3d community. For me your opinion counts, as does postings from Bioslym, RAGE, Unclebob, MH, the puppet kite kid and others...All of which have contributed long before the advent of the Z800. Nice to see you being polite to another poster about his choice. Take care matey Paul | ||
| Mopheta Rating: N/A |
Thanks Paul. AlbusD, sorry for my english (is not very good, but I hope to be understood). My intention is only to be objetive with this product. I´ve read lots of posts making great reviews, or perfect reviews, and I´m very suspicious that posters are eMagin members or similar. This product has some bugs, and I only have written about. I have said a pair of times that it is an interesting product, but the question is not this. I would not recomend it at this prize if you hare using a good monitor + shutterglasses, only this..., and I have exposed why. You can do what you want (we all do it), but if you have more information you can buy better... remember that you can´t test this product in the shop. Actually I have a Sony W900 monitor and use it to play Stereo3D games with mu shutterglasses, and only use Z800 to test sometimes and to view a movie in the bed if I need to be in horizontal position. And I prefer TrackIR than Z800 headtracking. This is all, and the other problems I´ve written are only posted to inform the people that this is not the "perfect" thing they hope and we have read sometimes, and with the intention that anybody solve any of these problems. Sorry if I do not make a contribution to the eMagin sales. I hope this emprise will continue and make a better product (I desire the better), but I´m not happy with exagerations or false things written in these forums, or simly don´t write about problems to make this contribution. | ||
| AlbusD Rating: N/A |
No - my apology Mopheta. I felt the idiot the minute I post it. I agree that there are a lot of questionable posts here and elsewhere regarding this product and others. We witness fights among retailers , some anonymous guy flaming Trimersion's HMD - actually claiming illegal behavior - and then disappearing etc etc. People out to destroy Icuiti(IISVR) etc etc. Some who own stock in Icuiti or eMagin share of stocks. You just start to wonder if everyone doesn't have some kind of angle. Especially people trying to talk you into buying or not buying anything (which on review , you really did not do - sorry again). I agree that there is a lot of room for improvement in the next generation , and as price may to me look fair imo compared to alternatives for this product- should ideally come down. I remember paying $800 for a microwave oven many years ago - now they give them away if you open a bank account. let's hope it all happens that way in 3D technology- competiton is good I guess. Thank you . | ||
| cutlass Rating: N/A |
"Cutlass why does it bother you if someone buys the z800 or not?" Tiger claw, it doesn't bother me all. I haven't bought one yet myself. But I have tried one and I have friends who own one. My interest is not in gaming, but in design work. Many comments on stereo3d have been very helpful to me. "Why are there soo many posts about it from people that may have only posted 1 or 2 times in the last few years? Stangely enough only since the prodcut has been released..." Why is this strange? Does one have to be an old poster to post here? The product interests me. Previous products did not. "Why do all the old hands post there impressions and their impressions are not that good?" I think the many of the comments by those who who bought one are very useful. Most of them seem pleased, so I am not sure what you mean by "not that good." Those who make judgements based purely on the Z800's specifications (who haven't tried it) are, as one would expect, less impressive. As for those who bash or pump the product to further their own agenda, what can one do. "Why are there no reviews on hardware review sites?" There have been reviews. What sites do you trust? "Why spend $900 on something you can't be sure works in the first place?" Some people feel the same way about something that costs $10. This is an age-old problem. I tell you that this visor work better than any other on the market today at that price (and many priced much higher), but you will gain no certainty from what I say. You'll need to try it. Have you looked to see if there is a expo in your area where the company has a booth? "Why do people fill the NEWS thread and not the HMD thread which is where all these discussions belong...?" I am sorry, I can't answer that. "A lot of product promotion seems to be going on." I agree. This is not the place for it. Note that Cyberworld posted that it was taking orders and then another on-line store came on and the two started bickering about some old unlrelated issues. "$900 is a lot to shell out given the flaws mentioned..." What flaws? Flaws in the product or in the set it up process? In the past people have shelled out far more for far less in the way of visors. "This post for instance ( by someone who is active in the community and knows what he is on about) and (plenty of other): http://www.stereo3d.com/discus/messages/24/3536.html?1129455284" IMO, mopeta has posted some very useful comments. It is difficult to know to what extent his problems are solvable from his end or from the manufacturer's end. This is a new product, so one can expect that installation issues and so forth will crop up and need to be solved. "I expect this will get shot down by someone which is a pity because a lot of the experienced old hands are abandoning this board as it now seems to serve as a marketing tool for emagine more than serving the 3d community." Your comments are perfectly good. I hope old hands don't leave. As for marketing, you can see plenty on these boards under various topics going back several years. You and legitimate posters should carry on and ignor those who seem out of sync with you. Cutlass Washington, D.C. | ||
| cutlass Rating: N/A |
oops...sorry, Paul, the last message was supposed to be addressed to you... | ||
| Ku Rating: N/A |
I'll add some water under this bridge!! For the $$ everyone is talking about, if you think it is state of the art gaming, NO it isn't! Im not at the point where im at work and can't wait to get home to use it.. Now for me, I plan on using these Visor's for my bud an I's small Vr business. So the price im not to worried about. For one it's the only thing out there in this Price range. There's a few thing that you would have to consider as an average gamer, do you have that money to spend and want the hassel to mess around with it to work good. It doesn't fit up close to your eye's and it doesn't block out the outside light. Maybe if they took the time to add it in a nice VR helmet with good headphones for the serious gamers like the Xbox360 is doing, you offer a setup to certain customers. For the travlers and movies freeks, then there you go with the orginal style. For my style that I did, it's pretty damn good for the price. But I had to work on it. The lens is up on the eyes and the screen is clear that way, the size isn't really all that bad when you block out everything around you. You tell me if you think having 60 FOV is gonna make that much of a differance when playing, like wow now im in the game. Look it the next price HMD with 60FOV. For people out there that are thinking of getting one, hey if you can afford the 15% restocking fee then get one! But be ready to MOD LOL cause that will be the ticket. Anyone really interested in getting all there questions answered should e-mail a ligit user on here instead of asking the whole site, like peeps said before, your gonna have a flamer in here bashing whatever your interested in... Im out..............  | ||
| ? Rating: N/A |
Cutlas how did you know Akemi was an e-magin shareholder? | ||
| cutlass Rating: N/A |
? Well I think she is...and I think she is a she...check out the yahoo finance board for emagin...cut | ||
| cutlass Rating: N/A |
? Well I think she is...and I think she is a she...check out the yahoo finance board for emagin...cut | ||
| Rob Rating: N/A |
December issue of PC GAMER has a review of it. I just have 1 question about it,I read somewhere they were going to make a higher res version. any truth to this? I dont want to buy one only to have a better model released a week later. | ||
| Rob Rating: N/A |
Ku,who is making a 60fov HMD? | ||
| KuDawg Rating: N/A |
I was just making a point, if you were to have a 60 FOV instead of the 40. Vresearch is still selling the V8 640x480 60FOV for $10,000 . Im sure in some way it is a differant animal. To tigerclaw, I think what people saying that they see a grainy picture might be from the way they have their card setup.. I've tried messing with digital Vibrance and some games are to dark when on High, and I haven't really seen a grainy pic. The picture when set right for that game is pretty nice. Some adjustments have to be made in the cards color correction area. It's gonna be tuff to get a good solid review because everyone has a differant system so you might not get the same results with your glasses. Oh yeah I tried Joint operations with the glasses and that ROCKS!! I'll be posting soon with pic's of one total system all set with gun and Visor. Ku |
