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stee1hed

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Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2005 - 12:19 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

very exciting stuff!


http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=entertainmentNews&storyID=2005-03-18T085249Z_01_DEN830004_RTRUKOC_0_FILM-3D.xml
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Puppet Kite Kid

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Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2005 - 7:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

I hate to be yet another whiner, but I have been struggling with making stereoscopic movies for a few years, now, and understand the complexities. "It ain't easy" is an understatement.
I'm not trying to piss anyone off... I'm only trying to help make healthy progress.
Let's hope "Hollywood" realizes it ain't easy, and is smart enough to figure out what to do about it. Rather than sucking Martini's between golf greens, they need to be doing their stereoscopic homework and research. Nobody "knows it all", and in fact, the more you learn, the more there is to learn. It's not what you know that matters, it's what you are willing to learn :-)
But I'm optimistic, simply because I know it can be done.
The problem is I have only seen one really good commercial example so far... Polar Express... but that's a start :-)
We just experienced 50 years of bad anaglyphs. Let's hope we don't go through the next 50 years with bad 2D to 3D conversions and bad "real camera" 3D... and more bad anaglyphs :-)
The CGI stuff is the easiest to create, because you can animate the stereo base and completely control the deviation (the amount of stereo depth). That's the difference between stereoscopic "life and death". Polar Express did it very well... but that's only one movie, so far. Real camera 3D has to concentrate on a "maximum amount of deviation" (since animating the stereo base is not possible) and figure out a good way to control that. Excessive deviation is a real killer... right up there along with toe-in, and I still think many people (and in Hollywood) think that is even a valid option... not with digital technology, for crying out loud! Shoot parallel, then set your parallax in post! Jeeze! Hello??? Anybody home? Have you ever tried to correct 100 different degrees of keystone distortion in one movie! Give up. Throw those in the toilet!
We seem to have a ways to go... so far, people can't even seem to correct simple vertical, horizontal and size problems in DVD releases, and that's the easy stuff!
And don't get me started about whether or not you can make a great anaglyph ;-)

P. K. Kid
Stereoscopic 3D images and movie clips (all G-rated):
http://www.puppetkites.net
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Anonymous

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Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2005 - 7:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

i agree with a lot of what you are saying PPK....however i trust Lucas, Cameron ,Jackson, etc. i think they will not release there great very popular, movies if the 3d is not the best that can be done. they now believe in 3d and are ready to move to that format for there upcomming movies, and new 2d-3d conversion for there franchise releases. to me this all is great news.
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Anonymous

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Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2005 - 10:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

All stereo specialist I know agree that Titanic - Ghost from the Abbys is from stereoscopic point of view very very bad. Sub optimal paralaxes, disturbing stereo efect, wrong scene composiotion. I am sure people say Titanic is good only becouse it is Cameron work and they are afraid to say the truth. So do not belive Cameron.
He was trying to do somethig he does not fully understand.

Lucas nor Jakson had recorded any stereoscopic movie - I expect that the first one from their production will be a disaster. I am not pesimist, I am just realist.
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Anonymous

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Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 - 12:15 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

again i agree with a lot of what you are saying. but these guys Lucas ,Camron, Jackson and others now behind this big move to new 3d motion pictures, and advanced 2d-3d conversion of older movies have super track records of making billions of dollars with there movies, and putting big bucks into there movies. i am sure they will have the best 3d possible for there movies. i can only see great things comming in 3d from these leaders of the motion picture industry.......i feel very positive about these new developments and foward thinking about 3d movies. seems a lot of defeatists negitivity amoung some on this board?????? who are critical of everybody else but take little chances themselves......produce your own products, get up off your butts, raise funds, put something in the marketplace ( PKK your stuff looks great, be a merchant, take your product to these people( Lucas,Camron etc) hint ,hint....Mark Cubin ,billionare owner of THE HD NETWORK, Dallis Mavricks, movie theater chains,( now converting to digital projection).......Mark is very down to earth, i have talked to him in the past, he has a email address and he answers email....promote your 3d ideas to him.
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Scott Warren

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Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 - 5:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

I am in the process of doing just that...What's Mark's email? (not kidding). Email me privately if you feel uncomfortable giving it out and I'll explain more.

Scott
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Allan

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Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2005 - 7:00 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

I know for sure that Warners is going to release
Polar Express again for Christmas 2005 in IMAX 3D
and some 35mm 3D prints as well as some digital 3d play dates. They have already made test 35mm prints. I'd like to see them try 6 perf 3D 35.
We have a old Cinerama projector in that format,
and I can tell you the effect is great when you split the 6 perf frame into two wide images.
I'm going to Mainland China to talk to a projector
company that might make some low cost conversion
kits to update a few hundred projectors for
upcoming films. I got some exhibitors interested
who will pitch the idea to both Miramax and
Warners, to allow a field test in a few theaters.
If anybody is planning a feature, we have two
cameras that support the new Cine 150/160 3D polarized or anaglyph 60% larger
format. They are film cameras not HD cams, with
a 1.85 aspect ratio. Also, new glasses are being
made now, for anaglyph that work well in theaters
as well as on line. They are plastic, but have
fairly good cancellation and warmer skin tones that the Rodriguez paper glasses. There will be clip ons for people who already wear glasses, and a cool sunglass style. Several hundred theaters
will be offering them when the next anaglyph film breaks this summer. We can only make perhaps
a hundred thousand pair, without a big order
from a major chain, but I'm commuting to and from
Taiwan and China twice this month to make it
happen. They will also work well with a eventual
DVD version of all the 3D stuff in the pipline.
Don't be surprised if R. Rodriguez offers his film
in a few digital polarized situations like the
new setup at the Mann's Chinese theater. Press
is saying, this is a 3D first for the Chinese
Theater, but in fact I ran a 70mm 3D version of
"House of Wax" there in a special deal with
Warner Bros. in 1973.
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Anonimous2

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Posted on Thursday, June 02, 2005 - 7:54 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

What's the 3D situation there in China? Just a few Western classics revivals everynow and then or are the Chinese (or Indians) seriously working towards it?

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