| Author | Message | ||
     Anonymous Rating: N/A |
http://www.razor3donline.com/converter.html Has anybody tried this ? Is it good ? Thanks | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Looks great in design however - you cannot create 3D data from a 2D image. The data is not there in the first place. Looks like a Ferguson / X3D product. Nice try but - C3D, Dynamic Digital and a host of others have dumped serious $ into the same concept but all are fake 3D and all failed. You think they would learn from others previous mistakes. | ||
| nickyj Rating: N/A |
who is anonymous #2? | ||
| Christoph Bungert (Admin) Rating: N/A |
Dunno, but basically he's right. Christoph | ||
| the 3d Man Rating: N/A |
but the 3D game system reviews are astounding - out the screen. What is the diff to TV 3D? | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
it is the best i have seen. very very close to stereo 3d. great for watching movies like SPIDERMAN and LORD of THE RINGS.....i own one i watch movies in 3d a lot....its much,much better then DDD system or C3D by far........ buy one and see for yourselves. | ||
| V.S. Rating: N/A |
Last message sounds like advertising on TV, but there are no any positive reviews of Virtual FX. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
not an ad. i am just a 3d fan. i have a NuView and a BensLens(my son a DP in Hollywood made several modifacations on it to shoot video) also. i shoot a lot of 3d footage just for fun. lots of footage of Civil War reeanactments i filmed back east, and college football close up in 3d. i do like to watch 3dtv and the Virtual Fx is pretty good ,its not real stereo 3d, but it is very close.its much better then the C3D and DDD's fake 3d. i don't know why there are no reviews. maby Cris needs to do one? | ||
| Alan Rating: N/A |
To Anonymous Would you give me detailed specification of power adaptor for Virtual FX? I have Virtual FX but with out of power adaptor and do not know what power I have to use to activate it. | ||
| Stereo3D4Life Rating: N/A |
I've just ordered my Virtual FX 3D converter from CyberWorld Online and it should be here tomorrow. Hopefully, I'll give you guys some good result. | ||
| V.S. Rating: N/A |
To Alan I have sent your question to support and got the answer: It is 9V, 800Mah, center positive. | ||
| The 3D Man Rating: N/A |
There is a review at Home Theatre Spot, but the guy's kids seem to know more. It was very positive. And also http://www.stereophotoworld.com/fxtest.asp has a test report. They all say it lives up to its promise. I have bought the Virtual FX now and it doesn't have out of screen effects (darn, but it could have looked ridic), but with what does is quite good, and accurate. It works on static too, not just movement, so is not just Pulfrich, or Putrid, or whatever that 3D is. Just a pity about the so-called program modes which only distort the pic geometry - bulges, and bends. Still fascinating tho, if you don't expect too much. | ||
| V.S. Rating: N/A |
To 3D Man It will be funny if the vendor say about his products something except “great; wonderful; beautiful and strongly recommended for every body in the known Universe”. I will be surprised if you find some words about defects of Virtual FX here: http://www.stereophotoworld.com/fxtest.asp | ||
| Peter Wimmer Rating: N/A |
Hi! It would be great if one of the owners of a Virtual FX captures the output an puts it on the net, so that everybody can donwload the sample and form his optinion. Preferable, it should be a clip that is also available in true 3D so that it's possible to compare the Virtual FX with the real 3D clip. Peter | ||
| clyde Rating: N/A |
..I have one, its a good box, the best out there in the 2d-to threeD world. you wont get amazing out of screen effects, but you will get pretty good results on Moving as well as Still. Some observations I have made.. the whole scene is Projected on some raw geometry, such as Sphere or a cone shaped primitive, along with parallax shifting, this instantly gives it a ThreeD feel by the very basic nature that in a normal scene, objects closer to the camera will be in front ..or.."mapped on the tip of the cone or bulge of the sphere"..and when combined with the offset effect (basically mapping both fields of a scene on the sphere, but offset a bit) it makes good stereo effect. But wait.. it dosnt end there.. the box actually analyzes and prob stores a couple of frames in "memory" (this I kind of guess from the fact that the moment you connect your video input to it, it takes a couple seconds to output the effect). So when its stored or sampled the incoming video, it also checks for motion a.k.a pulfrich.. if present it uses this time-parallax to predict which field gets shifted to the left or right before projecting it on the geometry. wait..theres more.. it also has hard cut detection for scenes, thats why it copes a bit well with vertical motion and when theres no movement in a scene , im guessing its doing object segmentation (outlining areas in a scene) much like software like BasRelief etc do ...and then it assigns a "layer based" depth to the scene..all this in realtime (but with frames being sampled in memory Im sure). The specs do say 90million complex calculations per second... ...so short of actually having a humanbeing present and predicting which objects etc in a scene should be in front for a ThreeD effect, I think the AI on this box is as close as we will get for this price! Again.. for the die-hards, yes this is absolutely no way to say its 100% comparable to shootinng with a dualcam rig, but I think its a step in the right direction. Cheers All Clyde | ||
| Richard Rating: N/A |
No idea if the product is any good or not but the UK price is over twice the US one. Typical. http://www.i-glassesstore.com/converter.html | ||
| Geert vanderHeijden Rating: N/A |
Hi, Did anyone open the "virtual FX" box to see whats in it? I am wondering. I will order one also. Cheers, Geert | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
as i said i enjoy it. some movies look like very good 3d. the movie called "Windtalkers" starring Nickolas Cage seems to be one of the best 3d for the unit. some movies look better 3d then others. also a movie called the "Big Bounce" starring Owen Wilson looked good to. don't open the unit as it could damage it. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
IO-systems are experimenting with a Virtual FX type unit to connect to a HDTV set top box it's a prototype so doesn't mean they'll manufacture and market it. But we can only hope it's a pageflip VGA out for shutterglasses at 60Hz HDTV and 50Hz HDTV. No promises here but it might happen. We may not afford to buy a HDTV monitor but an XGA computer monitor would do just fine | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
2d to 3d for HDTV sounds great. i hope they come up with a system for HDTV that works as well as the Virtual FX dose for standard tv. id buy one. | ||
| The 3D Man Rating: N/A |
I got the Philips Pixel Plus TV, which is near High Definition. In Australia anyway it's 75 Hz but luckily there is a double-lines setting, 50 Hz, which is virtually good as P.P., and Virtual FX works on that. | ||
| The 3D Man Rating: N/A |
Good review, Clyde; makes me understand it better. It doesn't need to bend lines and bulge the pic to do the converting tho, does it? It's so annoying there is no standard setting where the pic remains straight - with no false geometry; it makes the modern flat square TV look like an old curve tube, at best. You said the VIRTUAL FX is the best, so have you (or anyone) tried the 3D VIDEO LAB? I wonder is that as good? Because the maker of that said it keeps the pic straight, and doesn't just do Pulfrich but real converting. Oh by the way, by shifting PHASE, you can make the depth go the other way and it can have some interesting slightly out of screen effects, and somehow much of the 3D remains accurate, or seems to. And people stand out better. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
i think the 3dVideo Lab is the bare bones unit.the VirtualFX is the deluxe model.....they both use the X3D chip....X3D is working on a chip for autostereoscopic 2d to 3d also...and 3DHDTV chip....if they have a unit for 3DHDTV it will sell. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
Anonymous, 2d to 3d autostereo is the holy grail im after  (before that it used to be anaglyph color integrity in Mpeg2/dvd) I have played around with diff parallax settings in the vfx convertor box, in the belief that it would give a "wrap-around" view if i saved 9 different videos that way (for autostereo screens), by stepping up sequentially the parallax settings. Well no luck so far, I suspect there is truth in this statement, only its eluding me. The 3D Man: your not from Australia are you? Im trying to get my 3d videos in dubai here if your the same one! as for anonymous, you have lots of info to *not* be on x3ds payroll Cheers all! Clyde Ps. The only sad part about all this is that people on Ebay / Amazon are not telling us that they are using the VFX to make "3d movies" and thereby sparing the excitement of actually thinking that new original material has come out... real sad that, and im sure Cristoph is gonna have a laugh at my expense for earlier defending this pseudo 3d brigade *sigh* | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
sorry i am not on X3D'S payroll. just a big 3d fan ,like everybody else....i buy most everything that comes out. bought a NuView way back in 1998, bought a BensLens,3dVisualLabs and a VirturalFx too. i bug the people in the 3d business all the time.to see what is new and what they are working on...thats how i get my info......i also watch this an other boards and post what info i get. i believe we should share it all.....i enjoy the great posts by everybody,PKK,Clyde,3d man etc. please keep up the good work and info on all 3d advancements. | ||
| The 3D Man Rating: N/A |
Anonymous - hang on which one am I talking to? There's 2. Or is there 5? lol. Makes it a tad confusing, But like 3D with 2. And funny, Anonymous addressing Anonymous. That's good if the Vid Lab is the same as the VFX without the mistakes. I ordered one on ebay because it's extinct now. Anonymous Too, or Clyde, yes I am in Australia but am not the 3D Man you refer to - I think. Unless I am in 3D too. They say everyone has a twin. Is he evil? Euww, that is sad and bad, those amazing Amazon 3D films. They should be shot - with real 3D film - those people. They are not those B - Bad - grade movies I wasn't not considering buying? - Camp Blood, Blood Sisters, Dementia 13, Radar Men from the Moon, are they? If not, what? - Anonymous 3 D Man | ||
| Tim Bunting Rating: N/A |
please Help! I am from the UK and have just bought a US-Version Virtual FX box, which did'nt work, so i bought a multiregion dvd player..... It STILL did'nt work, i played around with it For AGES. I then eventually figured out that the Shutter Glasses dont seem to work with the refresh rate of my TV. And before you Say it I DO KNOW ABOUT NTSC. My TV DOES except ntsc input. I thought NTSC meant "525 lines, 60 hz", so i assumed that my tv would have some kind of variable refresh rate. I think this is rational clever assumption, i also think the makers of the philips TV's, Really need to look into what NTSC means, before they slap labels on there hardware. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
If it's a Philips 100Hz TV that could be the problem. The 100Hz destroys the 3d by blending the fields. Buy a cheap 50Hz TV with NTSC playback for your 3d. If it's a new Philips TV check it's scan modes using it's remote to see if it supports a scan mode that will work with 3d. | ||
| photosurrealism Rating: N/A |
I was planning to dissect a VFX and analyze its output because I hadn't seen such a thing done yet. Has anyone else done much in that regard? No sense replicating effort, but I've got a whole lab full of equipment to make it easier for me to do than a lot of other folks. :-) | ||
| Peter Wimmer Rating: N/A |
What do you expect to see when dissecting the VFX? Very likely a A/D converter, a DSP and a D/A converter. The secret is in the DSP firmware. | ||
| photosurrealism Rating: N/A |
I expect it's pretty black-boxy inside, but I'm wondering how much memory it has. If it hasn't enough to hold more than a frame up, it limits what it could be doing, for example. Mostly I'm going to feed it test signals and analyze the output. | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
photosurrealism it does a single field delay to achieve main 3d effect. The rest is just parallax joining two together would give a full frame delay. It looks better but if you connect 3 or four you might get a headache. For one more memory wouldn't help it would need redesign plus new firmware. They might release a better pro model eventually | ||
| SBC Rating: N/A |
AJ here. Guys I just bought this box from e-dim. Connected it all up and was disappointed. FYI, I have the PC wired glasses, AND the 3DPLUS software and enjoy both VERY much. The wireless glasses have a range of about 3 to 5 feet. Totally unacceptable, especially if you have two people sitting at angles from the box. You MUST be practically IN FRONT of the emitter for your glasses to even turn on! Then, when it does work....The image has a strange focus to it. I guess you could call it "depth". Remember, I have these glasses on my PC and watch movies too, and I' am always "WOW"ed by them, but this was more like "huh"? I spent 150.00 with shipping which I am not complaining about, and to it's credit, the conversion is smoother than on PC, but the results are very plain and distorted. I've tried to tweak all the settings, but again, I would be embarrassed to invite anyone over to watch my "3D". It really isn't, and could rarely and barely be called it. Lord of the rings, Star Wars, all blow me away on PC in 3D, but thru this box, it just doesn't cut it. I hope this helps anyone on the fence as I was. Thankfully there is a money back guarantee or else I might be more than a just little disappointed. If you guys who gave this thing a favorable nod have any suggestions to change my mind, do post and let me know. I found the most bearable settings were: Action 1, Parallax 6 or 7, phase on or off (makes almost no difference). | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
what 2d-3d system do you have on your computer to convert StarWars movie to 3d? i have a Mac IBook G4 with a built in DVD player. what can i get to watch 2d movies in 3d on my Mac??? thanks | ||
| SBC Rating: N/A |
The PC software is IMHO, the best thing one can do to watch dvd's in 3D. www.edimensional.com has "3DPLUS" software that works with your dvd drive. But you will still need the glasses and dongle kit. I have an ATI card an am using the universal driver. It works great! Edimensional says it will work with ANY operating system, so you should be alright there. But this VirtualFX 3D box is really a waste of money. One can't even enjoy the movie, because it is so annoying to use. BTW, STAR WARS IS REALLY MADE FOR 3D. Lucas KNOWS what he's doing. On MY PC, it is a whole new movie! Good luck! | ||
| Anonymous Rating: N/A |
If you didn't have an ATI card 3dplus would output in over/under format out to your VGA cards TV out and you could have connected your VGA's TV out to the input of the virtual fx and set the virtual fx to X3D input mode and then watch 3dplus on your TV. | ||
| SBC Rating: N/A |
Thanks for the tip, but again the wireless range is not enough to enjoy in my living room. I will try a direct connection to my TV thru the S-video out plug on the card. Maybe that way, I can still use the 3Dplus software. | ||
| WizardOfZo Rating: N/A |
Try some new batteries in the glasses. When I got my unit, the batteries in the glasses were below 3 volts and worked poorly. Also be sure you are in view of the IR LED's in the box. there are 4 LED's in there with a little bit of horizontal spread on a narrow vertical plane. I set my box above the screen aimed at me and I can get 18 feet back and still get the glasses to work. Although you will never get good 3D out of a 2D source with the unit, For me, it does well with 3D movies on a CRT Projection at 120" diagonal with a line doubler. | ||
| SBC Rating: N/A |
Thanks Wiz, The performance your describing is like a whole other product! (18ft, i wish) but thats not the main disappointment. I can attain sync and spent an afternoon playing with every conceiveable adjustment, but found the 3d effect not what I had expected. The 3Dplus software on the other hand worked better than I expected. So I think I will just build an HTPC and use that for my conversion viewing. Thanks for the info. | ||
| Brad Rating: N/A |
WOW I am so glad that I read this before buying, SBC has by far been the most helpful, and the wizard too. So in other words this is not the best way to spend $150, IF anyone had any other helpful insight about how well the product works on a tv please e-mail me!!! thanks! | ||
| AtariJunkie Rating: N/A |
Greetings- I own a pair of Elsa Erazor 3D Glasses that came with an older Elsa video card. I currently own a nVidia TI4400 video card and I can get the glasses to work with games but they won't 'turn on' with the DVD player in my PC. Will these drivers work? http://www.edimensional.com/support.php I was going to purchase the Virtual FX and a 36" CRT TV to watch my 3D movies (so I can finally watch Amityville 3D!) with the shutter glasses and to link to my gaming systems. I collect vintage game systems I currently have 18 systems linked through to stereo and TV. What type of effect would the Virtual FX have on Atari 2600/Colecovision etc?!! I wanted it mainly for cheap entertainment and few laughs. The 3D movies I own are all based on the theater 3D using the shutter glasses. They are so 'brutaly' letterboxed that on a 27" its like watching a movie on a 13"! (I was using an old DOS based set of glasses that worked with Descent and Quake back in the day that also hooked up to VCR). Will Virtual FX handle these movies ok also? I had a guy last year email me in detail what he thought of the setup. He said they worked fairly well. Do you guys want me to post his comments? Will any 36" CRT TV work well? (guess I should know the details before I spend $300 on a TV and $150 on the 3D). Do the flat screen CRT TV's work with the glasses also? I own a Hitatchi 61" HDTV ready TV but the 3D doesn't work on it  that was a major disapointment!!!! I hope they can come up with something for the big screen TV's soon! I will probably end up getting it anyway just to tinker with (can always resell it on ebay) but I want to make sure if I buy a 36" TV that it will work before I drag it home! Thanks for putting up with my questions. I am really into the 3D movie scene. I am one of those people who still thinks the Nintendo Virtual Boy is awesome (laughs). Thanks!!! Erik | ||
| dave3d Rating: N/A |
I can't believe how hard it is to find any reviews on 3d equipment. I'm glad I managed to find this message board. I have to agree with Brad's post. If it weren't for SBC I probably would have bought the virtual fx and now I will do some more research on it. As a fan of 3d (I travel just to find a 3d imax). What is the best way of bringing 3d into your home - preferably under US$500. | ||
| Charles Rating: N/A |
I own a 36" CRT television, and the screen image of the letterboxed 3-D DVD movies is large enough to be acceptable, but I personally DON'T recommend watching any interlaced 3-D on television because of the terrible flicker resulting from the 60 Hz refresh rate. (Some people find this more tolerable than others.) In my opinion, you would be better off buying a large CRT computer monitor capable of high refresh rates (120 Hz at 1076 x 768) and watching the 3-D movies with your computer using a viewing program like Peter Wimmer's Stereoscopic Player. You will need a fast nVidia graphics card for adequate playback. | ||
| Alexander Shay Graybill (Thomasjarvis) New member Username: Thomasjarvis Post Number: 1 Registered: 11-2006 Rating: N/A |
Hello everybody, I'm Alex, new to this forum and to the world of 3-D imaging as a hobby. (Message edited by thomasjarvis on November 28, 2006) | ||
| Alexander Shay Graybill (Thomasjarvis) New member Username: Thomasjarvis Post Number: 2 Registered: 11-2006 Rating: N/A |
I was thinking about purchasing the Virtual FX kit, I can get it for $70 (not including shipping), which would save me quite a bit of cash from what it costs to purchase from Razor3D and the various online vendors. Now, reading these posts and a few other reviews, I'm not so sure. I can get the 3D Viewing System For Two for only $19.95, would that be the better deal? Everybody keeps saying that the 2D to 3D conversion is not very good and that nothing really jumps off the screen. But what about the actual field-sequential DVDs of genuine 3-D films, like the IMAX stuff, will thoe films jump off the screen with the Virtual FX or 3D Theater? I mean, field-sequential units such as the 3D Theater from Razor3d should be the next best thing to seeing these films in the actual theater, right? I heard that there's computer sofware that would be better, but I'm interested in a home theater set-up that does not involve my pc in any way, shape, or form. The only reason I'd even considered buying the Virtual FX unit over the 3D Theater is for the bonus option of being able to tinker around with my sattelite TV images to add more depth. My CRT set is only a 27", so my plan is to purchase one of those do-it-yourself TV projection kits for under $10 off eBay, this would allow me to project the images from my set onto the wall magnified up to 100" through a special Fresnell lense. I was thinking would be the ideal set-up for either the Virtual FX unit or the 3D Theater from Razor3d. Any thoughts? | ||
| casper3d (Casper) New member Username: Casper Post Number: 1 Registered: 2-2009 Rating: N/A |
hi all. im Andy. & its nice to see ya all 3D lovers in the house ;-) just wondersing where in Dubai they sale 3D Virtual FX Convertor?? any help? goin there next sunday..im reddy to buy! |
