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C

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Posted on Friday, May 02, 2003 - 5:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

From the site http://www.edimensional.com/software_updates.html :

***NEW*** ATI users send an email to drivers@eDimensional.com to obtain the patented new E-D stereo drivers for non-nVidia cards. Bes sure to include your order number in your email.
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Curious

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Posted on Friday, May 02, 2003 - 7:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

This driver, if it works :-), should work with any shutter glass system! The ed glasses are standard shutter glasses like the H3d. Does a new driver really exisit for ATI?
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kb

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Posted on Saturday, May 03, 2003 - 3:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

We need a review here !!!
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Posted on Saturday, May 03, 2003 - 6:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

The drivers are for E-D owners ONLY, as you see they ask for your order number. Anyone else who has them is using them illegally most likely, or they own E-D glasses and are just using them with something else.

These drivers are real. However, because the license agreement says any information about them is confidential there's nothing more i can say :P
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Posted on Saturday, May 03, 2003 - 6:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

And it's not an ATI specific driver, the thing on the site says "for non-nVidia cards" so it's for any card at all...
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David Sykes

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Posted on Saturday, May 03, 2003 - 8:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

I only bought spare glasses (as I use the Revelator IR transmitter) and not direct from E-Dimensional but from the Widescreen Centre (UK) so I don't suppose I can get it ?
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kb

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Posted on Sunday, May 04, 2003 - 4:33 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

If it uses page flipping like nividia driver then it's very exciting for stereo gamers, now we don't have to be tethered to just nvidia video cards but free to chose whatever is the best card for the money out there . Hopefully it will have OSD the feature that would be so convenient and so nice and probably not very hard to implement, I used to run ASUS driver back couple years and they had it and it worked (with the right configuration), and it worked nicely. I hope someone here (hint hint) is doing a review of this driver sometime soon.
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Christoph Bungert (Admin)

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Posted on Sunday, May 04, 2003 - 9:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

###it's very exciting for stereo gamers, now we don't have to be tethered to just nvidia video cards but free to chose whatever is the best card for the money out there


Hold your horses.

1) This is nothing new. There is VRCaddy already. I wouldn't even be surprised if the driver from e-dim IS VRCaddy.

2) You can't expect a 3rd party driver by a small company to be as good as a reference stereo driver by the actual chip manufacturer - as in nVidias case.

3) Drivers, or in this case 'wrappers' are growing old fast. They need constant updating, so just a temporary solution won't fix it. So far all smaller companies (including ELSA) didn't manage to keep the drivers coming.


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nickyj

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Posted on Sunday, May 04, 2003 - 9:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Hold YOUR horses Christoph. You're always so negative. I've seen the drivers, they work. They work WELL. They are NOT VRCaddy because VR Caddy don't even work with OpenGL or on 98/ME. And you know what else? E-D told me these drivers use a proprietary new rendering process that does not need updating based on what cards come out, and the whole point is to make them completely different than VRCaddy or wicked 3D. Maybe e-d who does only 3d glasses would make a better driver than nvidia who obviously doesn't give a shit or they'd put out a driver more than once a year. I've beta tested these weeks ago since before they officially came out and my frame rates INCREASED, stereo was MUCH BETTER than nvidia and they were EASY to instal. As owner of this board, maybe try to help the community not put it down. They're not perfect yet with every game, but they tell me it's a matter of time and a little feedback to get every game working perfectly. I for one am happy that e-d, big or small (you don't really know anything about them, i'm sure) took the initiative to at least make drivers that help more people enjoy stereo. vrcaddy are absolutely terrible, which is why no one uses them. ease up man.
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Seroth Sujizero

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Posted on Monday, May 05, 2003 - 5:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Drivers work great up 'til now, i've had the pleasure of beta-testing them. There are very few bugs at the moment, and those are all going to be cleaned up as soon as the final version's gonna be released. These drivers are built from scratch, guaranteed, no VRcaddy or wicked 3d rip or so. Stereoscopic 3d looks great, and they're even gonna put in a 'save settings' function (with a .ini file in the game directory) which assures you only have to configure the drivers-settings ONCE. It's (gonna be) compatible with most of the openGL games (like Quake 3 and games based on that engine). After they finish this driver (which operates with openGL games, as mentioned before) they're gonna work on a DirectX compatible driver which is gonna work on every other game (non openGL games, like GTA3, C&C Generals, etc. etc. etc.) and will be released a few weeks later.

Anyway, if you own e-d glasses (and an ATI card), you should get these drivers!


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Seroth Sujizero

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Posted on Monday, May 05, 2003 - 5:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

oh, and i forgot to mention : they also work with win XP!
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Ken Tetterington

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Posted on Monday, May 05, 2003 - 8:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

That's very good news

- with this Driver as a new standard, it can only help the 3D industry.

Great work eDimensional !
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Christoph Bungert (Admin)

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Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 11:38 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

###You're always so negative.

Of course, why shouldn't I?

###I've seen the drivers, they work.

That's fine. Let's see what happens when the next generation of chipsets, drivers and most important DirectX comes out. Let's see if there will be anyone around to do an update.

### They are NOT VRCaddy

Thank you for the info.

###because VR Caddy don't even work with OpenGL or on 98/ME.

There is a version for 98/ME, but it may be outdated. The idea for OpenGL is to use a GL-wrapper, but this can cause problems of course.

###E-D told me these drivers use a proprietary new rendering process that does not need updating based on what cards come out, and the whole point is to make them completely different than VRCaddy or wicked 3D.

Now this sounds like from the 'marketing-department' to me.
They may try to base the stereo-logic entirely on DirectX and don't touch the part where the gfx-chipset comes into play, but I think these chipset independency was already a goal for VRCaddy and Wicked3D. In practice there will most likely be problems.

By the way if don't have chipset-specific code it should be difficult or impossible to get page-flipping.

###Maybe e-d who does only 3d glasses would make a better driver than nvidia who obviously doesn't give a shit or they'd put out a driver more than once a year.

e-d doesn't 'do' 3D-glasses, they sell glasses.

###They're not perfect yet with every game, but they tell me it's a matter of time and a little feedback to get every game working perfectly.

You can't get every game working perfectly, because the game developers aren't supportive. They do lot of things which screw parts of the stereo-experience (2D-lights, wrong horizon, wrong z-values, etc.)

Keeping a driver (wrapper) up to date with new chipsets, gfx-drivers, DirectX-versions and gazillions of games is lots of work. That's most likely the reason why nVidia is behind in schedule.

So far most stereo-driver developers dropped out, because the cost was higher than the gain.

###I for one am happy that e-d, big or small (you don't really know anything about them, i'm sure) took the initiative to at least make drivers that help more people enjoy stereo.

e-D is around for a while and I never had any doubt that this is a distributor, a retailer. They buy things (from i-O Display Systems and others) and sell them. That's great, but there was no reason for me to investigate this company further.

Actually what I don't like about e-D and other distributors is the fact that they sell the same product under different brand names and sometimes different products under the same name. This confuses the customers and makes my job here more difficult.

Do you have any information who developed the driver(wrapper) e-D offers? I would be surprised if they suddenly have a research and development department.


I think the only good solution would be if the stereo-code would become part of DirectX and Microsoft would force game-developers and gfx-driver-developers to write stereo-compliant code and to support page-flipping by default.

But this won't happen unless there are enough good and cheap autostereo-monitors, HMD's and 3D-projectors on the market, which provide immaculate, ghost-free images.

I'm pretty shure the guys at Microsoft know what's going on and decided that the stereo market is too immature to invest in it yet.
As soon as the break-even point is reached they will take over and wipe away (or buy out) the smaller companies who paved the way.

Christoph
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nickyj

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Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 12:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

maybe a lot of things would surprise you if you actually did the research and not based all your opinion on speculation. I have done the research, and you're wrong on many fronts. It's just a shame that as owner of the board you're so subjective when you should be one of the most educated on the subject and providing positive, objective guidance to the users. From reading other forums, many other users aside from myself have had a great experience doing actual testing.
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Christoph Bungert (Admin)

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Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 7:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

I will try to get a sample for review.

In the meantime you could share your experiences with us. So far all we got was hype, no facts.

Which chipsets have you tried, which gfx-drivers, which DirectX version? Which games work and which not.

And most important: Which stereo-format is used?

The press release says:

"by intercepting the video signal the E-D 3-D drivers intercept a single video signal and produce a left and right perspective on the computer screen"

"creating the first and only hardware independent software on the market"

"The eDimensional software has revolutionized stereo viewing by utilizing an unique completely flicker-free format."

"The drivers function exclusively on all existing E-D glasses and will be included with all new E-D purchases."

Some of this sounds rather strange. There's one thing I know however, if it works on older e-Dim hardware it has to work on other 4-in-1 glasses as well.

Christoph
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Andy

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Posted on Friday, May 09, 2003 - 5:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Just out of interest anyone tried it with the nvidia cards to see if their stereo effect is better ? Does it work ?
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Vladimir Simchenko

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Posted on Monday, May 12, 2003 - 10:53 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

E-D stereo OpenGL driver is using over/under format. That is not so good as page flip, but it real chance for owners of ATi videocards to get the “stereo” on PC. I have tried it working with ATI and do not whith NVIDIA.
Look for picture : http://www.really.ru/review/e-d%20stereo%20open%20gl.html
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Christoph Bungert (Admin)

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Posted on Monday, May 12, 2003 - 7:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

eDimensional asked me to wait for the first official release (1.0) and not to do a review on the pre-release.

Christoph
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I have been reading these forums for the past 2 hours. I have found them to be a great resource. While I have just placed an order with Edimensional (should arrive tomorrow or the following day), I wish I would have seen this board earlier.

Anyway, after reading this particular thread I felt I could add one more tidbit. I had phoned the company before purchasing as I have an ATI 9700TX and was concerned about having to "email" the company for drivers. The person on the phone was very courteous and explained to me that the new driver that they were releasing for ATI is actually a generic driver and will be offered to NVIDIA users as well.

I figure that for a 100 bux plus shipping (approx 150 canadian) it would be worth the risk of purchasing the product.

I was disappointed that Christoph had not completed a review of these glasses before I had made my purchase. I believe that his experience and critical/questioning eye would have made an impact on my purchasing decision.

I know this is getting a bit longwinded -- however, one thing I must also point out is that I've always thought these 3D glasses were bogus and never gave them a second thought. I believe I am pretty much your average consumer when it comes to 3D hardware. The sheer number of positive reviews from gamers that cover Edimensional's product definately got me interested and more educated about the different products.

Jason
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Christoph Bungert (Admin)

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Posted on Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 8:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

### that Christoph had not completed a review of these glasses###

I published the review of the glasses hardware exactly 3 years ago on Sept. 2, 2000. See http://www.stereo3d.com/terminator.htm They are on place 6 of my charts. See http://www.stereo3d.com/recommend.htm The distributors, names, packaging and software bundles of these particular glasses, which were AFAIK developed by i-O Display Systems, are ever changing and unfortunately I can't keep up with all these changes.

Christoph
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Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 11:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

I didn't look carefully enough I guess. Interesting review.

As for the glasses I received. I was able to install the hardware in seconds, but unfortunately the product doesn't seem to do anything. I can see images that interlaced 3d, but no games seem to work. Even the ones they supplied. I have emailed and left voice messages and all of a sudden I am not hearing anything back from them.

I remember reading that someone else had been quite frustrated and didn't hear back from edimensional right away -- but after he spoke to a technitian he was happy. I'm hoping that I will feel this way as well.

Also --- the 'drivers' supplied are not drivers -- they are wrappers. Will let you know what happens.

Jason
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clyde

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Hi .. Ive been following this thread, and yes I like Christoph's "style" of investigating new tech claims etc.
anyhow I was just thinking ..as taken from the press review of the E-3d drivers above
##### The press release says:

"by intercepting the video signal the E-D 3-D drivers intercept a single video signal and produce a left and right perspective on the computer screen"

"creating the first and only hardware independent software on the market"

"The eDimensional software has revolutionized stereo viewing by utilizing an unique completely flicker-free format."

Well im thinking if they are intercepting the video signal AFTER, then is it reasonable to belive that they applying the same Pulfrich type algorithm to create pseudo 3d effects on a scene?
I may be wrong with my newbie knowledge on this stereo 3d subject but could I be right?

Clyde Dsouza
clyde@immersivetelevision.com
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Aig

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Posted on Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 5:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

They use above/below format + SYNC doubling. Nothing revolutionary nor unique is in it, IMHO.
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SYNC doubling is in fact crap compaired to geforce's page flipping. I have had elsa glasses with geforce and i have had the edemensional glasses used with my new ati 9800pro (well the glasses died after 2 hours so i sent it back and got the mony back. thank god)
in sync doubling, you have half the vertical resoluton AND half the refresh rate (pretty bad huh?). sync doubing is in fact page flipping plus every second line belongs to one eye and that hub thing from edimensonal swaps the even lines with odd lines lets say 50 times in a second if you are lucky to have a monitor which supports 100hz. the picture looks 3d but the black vertical lines are anoying as hell. and you can't get rid of them by any mean (or you buy a geforce). in fact using 3d shutter glasses, the picture on geforce with 640x480 is cristal clear and beautiful, much better that ati which only works with sync doubling at 1600x1200 or even higher. (in fact ati has no stereo 3d support at all. the edimensional hub "thing" does it all)

if you are into shutter glasses... GO NVIDIA

by the way. i just installed linux driver for ATI and it asked me if i have shutter glasses(driver support always mean geforce like pageflipping). strange. maybe they will add support for windows driver too.
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Posted on Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 12:21 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

well the las message is also from me.
this time i'm not anonymous.

you need a review? here is a hot one!

do you know the elsa revelator glasses?

i ordered the wireless glasses from e-dimensional on 1. august.04.
after i get it, i was wondering that nowhere on this thing was a lable telling edimensional or something. the infrared mouse was the same from revelator. it was even written on it. you can in fact read REVELATOR on the infrared sender of E-dimensional glasses. strange. the glass doesn't look very much like revelator but the quality is very much the same (made of cheap plastic, very fragile)
the only thing that elsa didn't had is the sync dubing hub. it is connected between G-card and monitor.
The Ati driver which you are talking about is worse than beta version of the most buggy software you have ever seen and leaves you of with a black screen very often. it also must detect a game as a game or you can't just enable it (max payne 2, far cry, unreal tournament 2004 all not supported). and it haven't been updated since last year.
for geforce you need the stereo driver from nvidia which is a very good piece of software and supports everything.
all together this thing looks like the creation of a group of five people producing 3d glasses in their garage. sorry but that's true.

by the way. my 3d glasses just died after 2 hours of playing crazy taxi ( no i don't like the game but the ati driver didn't support max payne 2 , unreal tournament, far cry etc.) and i sent it back asking for my money and they accepted that.
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Damn!!! I read the topic and said to myself "WOOHOO". I just switched to a ATI 9800pro R360 core that I BIOS upgraded to an XT. I'm starting to miss stereo but not enough to do over/under. Tried it before when I had a Voodoo4/4500 card and it very much sucked. What about Anti-aliasing an Anisotropic Filtering? Nvidia just got those working in stereo using their very mature drivers within the last couple of months. I highly doubt these drivers are capable of it. If it's page flipping/field sequential with AA and Ansio then I'm in. if not then it's just revamped Wicked wrappers. I look foward to your review Christoph. Please include Farcry, IL2 Sturmovic, and FS2002-2004 in your test if you can :)
John
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Posted on Friday, August 27, 2004 - 1:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Omido, you are so wrong that i bet you're not even a real customer. Those games are all supported and synch double does not half the refresh rate, it doubles it (why do you think it's called SYNCH DOUBLE??) Plus, the drivers have been updated, they have been updated 4 times in the last month! Now I'm not saying the ATI drivers are as good as nvidia yet and i think constructive criticism is good for any company, but the amount of people on this board who have no idea what they are talking about, lie, and do nothing to help the situation should be banned IMO.
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Omido

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To the anonymous (probably edimensional employee) above:
1. I am a real costomer. you can have a copy of the bill from the internet-shop http://www.mediadeal24.de/ if you really want. PLUS all emails from me about that thing going brocken.
2. both sync doubling (synch double? ehmm..) and page flipping do halven the refresh rate plus sync doubling halve the vertical resolution. (your monitor refresh rate is limited to something and doesn't go any higher or you will get out of range. and the flickering glasses halven it. ah.. just ask your girlfriend)
3.i downloaded the driver updates on 9. of august and there was nothing very special about them. and i don't care if they are better now (because the "hardware" died). look at this as an outdated review if you like.
4.i would encourage everyone to buy this glasses if they costed 50 euros or less. but 100 euros is not worth it. noway. it's a too expensive toy and if you consider the quality, it's way too expensive.
5.I do not force everyone to believe me. i might be utterly wrong in fact.but as an unhappy costumer, i believe it's my right to say my opinion. and there is also something called freedom of speech. look up your dictionary.

sorry man. go make better glasses and i'll pay 200 if necessary
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Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 5:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

I have a 4 years old brother and he can write a better driver for ATI cards.

By the way, the ATI driver is not a ATI driver. Is a generic workaround to enable this glass to (suposed) work on all non nVidia cards. And it is a lie to say that 'all the newest games are compatible'... LIERS!!! How can you say that if OpenGL is not compatible without nVidia chipset????

The director of ED should get in jail as quick as possible... if they have a director.
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Posted on Sunday, September 26, 2004 - 12:05 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

then let's see him try, moron. you obviously have no idea what you're talking about.
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Warden

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Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 5:39 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

I bought these glasses a few months ago now and as yet have had no luck with them at all.

LOMAC worked, Enemy Engaged worked, although it comes out with some d3d error message which you ok and alt tab back into Enemy Engaged?! Toca Race Driver2 was'nt to bad, but thats about it.
Played Call of Duty on a mates Gf Fx5900 system and that looked good even played farcry which looked superb, but no joy with my ATI 9800xt.
The new drivers on ED website (as of October 2004) make the glasses flicker so badly that it isnt possible to use them for more than 5 minutes without getting a headache, and as yet havent been able to get them working with Doom3 but because of the really bad flickering im not sure I want to. 3dmark 2001 works but i only tested the first 5 demos, the fps has more than halved making me wonder if it will be worth getting the glasses working at all.

Avoid these glasses if you have an ATI card.

I think the v3.4 drivers were better at least they didnt flicker so much, although it was a real pain trying to get games working with them.
ATI cards barely work with these ED glasses.

I have (regretfully) held onto the glasses hoping ED/ATI sort something out, or I buy an nvidia card whichever comes first.

From what I saw using the fx5900 and glasses I cannot wait to play first persons, flightsims, driving games etc. but I think it means having to buy an nvidia card to do that. ATI/ED I hope you sort something out soon because for me this is the future of gaming, and at the moment I dont think ATI is included.
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Posted on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 8:53 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Tried edims newest driver with a disabled Nvidia Stereo driver with my dlp projector set up.

Horrible.

Didn't work properly on all settings.

Real shame.

This is not to say that people with other cards than Nvidia would not have a different experience.

But for a:

6800, Win XP, Nvidia Stereo driver disabled
Output a DLP projector at 800*600 or 1024 Native 60Hz set for either LCD1, LCD2 or CRT.
Driver settings tested interlaced, normal/reveresed, page flip

Doesn't work

Nvidia stereo drivers work very well for 1024 native (cropped screen) and 800*600 some blue ghosting (minimal)

Thought you guys should know.

Unclebob
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Posted on Thursday, October 28, 2004 - 3:06 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

I bought e-dim glasses and only tried them with h3d activator, with my lcd monitor at 75hz refresh, and it works!
so I think the site should be updated, as it is really possible to use lcd monitors for stereo shutter glasses.
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Posted on Thursday, October 28, 2004 - 8:13 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Maxred

that sounds great. Except that LCDs don't work on refresh rates (thats the input signal frequency). LCDs only change the individual pixel elements when they change. Hence such a steady picture at even a 60Hz input signal. Its the response time that is important when it comes to LCDs.

For an LCD screen to work like a CRT it would mean that the response time (which how LCD screens are measured) would be 1sec divided by 75Hz yielding a response time of 13ms.

12ms LCD screens have only just come out in Japan, 25ms is the norm and 16ms is expensive.

This response time figure is also a confused piece of marketing as this is not the time for an screen element to go from completly off to completely on. (Which is necessary for gaming and especally 3d as this has been the source of much ghosting). Response time is a halfway house type average measurement.

I'm not trolling or disrespecting you in any way (I've read some posts on other threads here which are very immature). I simply want to point out that if edim has succeed as you report it is a great achievement.

Over and above overcoming the LCD polorisation issue.

Why not set up a "Post your results thread - edim drivers and LCD screens"?

Ask for people to post factual information such as their:

opsystem, video card and drivers, type and make of LCD, resolution of game, version of directX, (I'm assuming that the drivers still don'y work for OpenGL?), game tested on, what format interlaced, overunder, page flip, LCD1, LCD2, CRT.

And of course their results.

More details of your own setup would also be apriciated in case someone else wants to have a go.

All the best

Unclebob
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Posted on Thursday, October 28, 2004 - 12:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

the site is updated, they released new glasses with LCD support a month ago. maxred must have the new model.
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http://www.edimensional.com/support_updates.php
the "ati" driver is now free for all 8-|

(sorry if not new, I have not read the entire thread)
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actually it's not. It only an update, not the entire driver.
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UncleBob, were you able to purchase the drivers seperatly? I'd like to give them a go with this 9800 card and X1 of mine. I have Eye3D glasses so all I need are the drivers.
John
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Yes I purchased the last model
It would be very interesting to know how it works!
anyway I use 1024*768, but I also tried other resolutions and I always had good results.
the only problem is that the monitor loses brigtness, but the stereo really is there
I'm not interested in games, so I will not go in other testings, but if someone will, I hope we'll hear news on tis board
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I downloaded the E-D wrapper here http://solo11.abac.com/edimensional/beta/Release-3.9.5.1-1.zip
I then fired up FS2004 and went from 28FPS to 1FPS in 1024x768. Not only that but it halves the vertical resolution. Nor can you use AA to try to clean it up. I can't believe these guys are marketing this CRAP. It's gonna sour stereoscopic for anyone trying to use this product for ATI cards. Which is gonna do nothing but set back stereoscopic entering into the mainstream. What a bunch of shortsighted money grubbing crooks.
John
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just go to the knowledge base. there's a very easy fix for that before you go running your mouth not knowing what you're talking about. nvidia used to have the same problem with jedi outcast.
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Thank you. I stand corrected and apologize for "running your mouth not knowing what you're talking about". So I only went from 28FPS to 11FPS. Just for S&G's I popped my ti4400 card in and loaded up the Nvidia drivers. At the same settings I got 18FPS. That's a 9800XT compared to a Nvidia ti4400. And with the Nvidia drivers I can use AA and aniso if I choose. Plus I get full vertical resolution. So while they might not be total crap they're vastly sub-par to the established norm and thereby detrimental to the advancement of mainstreaming stereoscopic.
John
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"Tried edims newest driver with a disabled Nvidia Stereo driver with my dlp projector set up.

Horrible.

Didn't work properly on all settings.

Real shame.

This is not to say that people with other cards than Nvidia would not have a different experience. "

Ah, DLP projector. These types of 3d glasses (shutter) ONLY work on CRTs. Cathode ray tube. A DLP uses micro mirrors and a bulb to bend light changing colors. Nothing to sync to =will not work at all. This is your fault for not reading simple instructions and understanding tech. Your recommendation of Nvidia is fan based I assume for that reason. Though nvidia does have better 3d glass support. ATI image quality is higher. So if they do get full glasses support it will be sweet. Oh I have two rigs here. One with Nvidia Geforce 3 and one with ATI radeon 9800 so spare any fan based crap. I KNOW. I use both. My next will be a 6800Ultra in a year or so for the record. Less better comes out course.
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Major Minor

I'm sorry but you are wrong about DLP. Many people have stereo 3d working with Infocus X1, X1a and X2 for instance.

Look on the thread dlp projectors - its one of the longest here. You need to read up more about DPL technology...

Stereo3d works well with an Infocus DLP based X1 at 800*600. Works superbly at 1024 with the projector set to native (although the image is cropped).

My set up is X1, Asus 6800 GE9999, edims shutter glasses.

And no I'm not a 'fanboy'. I'm a 41 year old professional that only buys stuff that does the job I want it to.

And for your information. Myself and most others tell people not to use ATI and edim from bitter disappointing experience and we do not want others to waste their money and time for a sub par experience.

Unclebob
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funny isn't it?? A whole bunch of people bought their edimensional glasses, just because edimensional has better promotion then
x3d with the same OEM model 70% (!) cheaper then edimensional...

http://www.x3dshop.com/X3DProducts/Accessories/default.html
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x3d has different glasses that do not support ati cards or lcd screens, plus they aren't even in the 3d glasses business anymore so no tech support, updates, and you probably won't even get your product. http://www.x3d.com
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Hey UncleBob,
If you use your PJ's remote you can move the picture using the tracking and position adjustments.
John
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John

tried that first mate, the only issue was it started to ghost as it got centred.

The only way I found to 'move' the picture and preserve the quaility of the 1024 image was to use the Nvidia driver screen adjustments.

Then set stereo for hot key and save 1024 @ 60hz as the res for stereo. Fire up a game in 800*600 with the projector set to 4.3. Fire up Stereo and switch to native.

Unclebob
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Just a question...
I am very new and I am really interesting of getting a 3D funktion for my PC.
I want that my PC can play DVDs in 3D or the 3D DVDs themselves to be seen in my PC as 3D and the games too, what should I get to let this happen please ?
I have a PC with normal Monitor, and my Graficcard is ATI Radeon 9600 Pro.
Please I need your answers and help since I am really new to all this things.
Thanks in Advance!
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I purchased this E-D glasses (Wirelss) and it is the last model , and I am sorry to say that it doesn't work with ATI since I have ATI Card Radeon Pro 9600 , I would say that E-D made a lie and I am sorry to say that, but it is the truth, I am going to turn the glasses back.
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Good luck returning them.

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