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Anonymous

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Posted on Sunday, July 01, 2001 - 11:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

The news page say something about new 3D DVDs but they won't work on a PC?
If it's playable on a home DVD, it must be playable on a PC.
right?
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Anonymous

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Posted on Sunday, July 01, 2001 - 11:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Any fresher info than Q4 2001?
Available everywhere you can find IMAX DVDs?
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M.H.

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Posted on Monday, July 02, 2001 - 8:10 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

It is posible to remove the CSS protection
from DVD, demultiplex the streem, convert to above/below format, recompres and play from HD ...
This procedure needs some experiences + XX Gb
free space on HD ... The result shifted above/below fomat is than playable on PC throw
sinc. doubling ...

Direct playback of the TV targeted stereoscopic
DVD on PC will be posiblw when some company
writing PC DVD player will make a small modification in the code, making the nessesery
conversion on the fly. I have code witch can do that (palback of TV tageted mpeg2 movie throw
HW page flipping on PC). Unfortunately the code is to slow becouse I have no acces to optimized mpeg2
decompresion routines ...
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Anonymous

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Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2001 - 7:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

PowerDVD shipping with Eye3D support stereoscopic mpeg2 in above/below in realtime on fast PII/PIII.
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Anonymous

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Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2001 - 8:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Where do we find this PowerDVD??????
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Anonymous

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Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2001 - 8:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

I believe it is called PowerDVD VR-X and only sold in Japan?????
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M.H.

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Posted on Wednesday, July 04, 2001 - 9:00 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

PowerDVD (Eye3D version) is totally useless. It can not transfer interlaced mpeg2 to above/below format. It can only play above/below as 2D and and to the above/below format the proper glasses color activation codes ...
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Anonymous

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Posted on Wednesday, July 04, 2001 - 9:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

PowerDVD with 3D support ships ONLY with eye3D glasses. Can only play above below format.
www.iart3d.com

I got all that's needed for conversion, just missing the actual DVDs and the legal rights to do it...
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Anonymous

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Posted on Friday, July 06, 2001 - 5:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Why wouldn't the 3D Control Panel with the VR Surfer work with an interlaced DVD like it does with an interlaced picture from the internet?
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M.H.

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Posted on Friday, July 06, 2001 - 8:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Anonymous: It is easy, no DVD player shows interlaced source movie on the screen as interlaced one. They do the output on computer screen after
deinterlacing and smoothing. No one DVD player have the option to disable this mode.
It is a pity, because the modification of the code is trivial. Even transfer of the interlaced
frames to DD surfaces or OpenGL buffers +
full screen HW page flipped output is easy ...
The DVD-player coding companies are just to lazy or unexperienced to give us good solution ...
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Anonymous

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Posted on Monday, July 09, 2001 - 3:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

No the real reason is that there on not enough people who want it to supply a feature that would only benefit a small fraction and probably greatly increase the number of support calls in reference to it.

It is not a "GOOD" trade off for them.

Regards,

Smokey
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Greg Kintz

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Posted on Monday, July 09, 2001 - 10:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Note that a PC being progressive is not the
core problem with compatibility, it's *how*
your given DVD player converts interlace to
progressive scan, and what options you have
to control that process. If you can get a
DVD software player to interpolate the video
(create an extra line from the field being
displayed) then you're set. This also applies
to HDTV sets with progressive conversion
built in for the 480i NTSC format. Interpolation
would keep the left right images intact and
display them correctly, but of course you
still need to activate your LCS glasses as well.
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M.H.

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Posted on Tuesday, July 10, 2001 - 6:38 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

GregKynz:

The problem is, that the DVD players
for PC do not do only interpolation.
They show evryting as progresive images
doing deinterlacin by BOB or VOW algoritms ...
It is nesesery just to stop any manipulation
with the source mpeg2 after the odd/even
line fields extraction from the non-progresive
mpeg2 streem and use some stereoscopic method to
visualise them. Anybody interested in sample
source doing just that could have a look on my
www ....
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Kenny

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Posted on Friday, July 13, 2001 - 7:59 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Hi There,

Please refer our software "3D Maker Plus" at http://www.iart3d.com "New website ". which software can convert the interlacing to A/B format.
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M.H.

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Posted on Friday, July 13, 2001 - 9:49 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Kenny: It is nessesry to convert the interlaced
mpeg2 from DVD on the fly during playback ...
Evrything else is already solved problem.
Off line conversion could be doens by several
tools like Adobe Premiere , Ulead Media
Studio or Virtual DUB.
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Christoph Bungert (Admin)

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Posted on Sunday, July 15, 2001 - 12:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

What I want to see is a DVD (or a 2-DVD set for that matter) with 4 formats:

- flat
- interlace
- over-under
- anaglyph

So everybody would be happy.

Christoph
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M.H.

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Posted on Sunday, July 15, 2001 - 6:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Christoph:

I would like to add folowing future to your list

- producing interlaced signal playable on
Standalone DVD compatible with TV shuterglasses
(it does not corespond to your interlaced
option becouse it have diferent meaning for PC
than for TV and require diferent data procesing).

The anaglyph output on standalone TV
player will require anaglyph version of the
movie directly encoded on the DVD ...

Remining futures could be solved by following way:

1) Using interlaced non progresive mpeg2 for
storage (it realy does not mix left and right images, I have tested it extensively + it is an standard compresion DVD compatible format)

2) PC DVD playback software witch can do
on the fly conversion to all format you mention
(it shuld be no problem, all nessesery operations could be HW accelerated by graphic cards DirectDraw functions). It will be even posible
to add HW page flipped output throw Winx3D,
OpenGl or the new nVida method ...

I know exactly how to do that, unfortunately
I do not have acces to 2 things:
- exact DVD format specification witch is
proprietary
- fast enought mpeg2 decoding open source
code

If I only find some enought futuristic
company witch already have some software
DVD player available for cooperation :(.
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ToxicX

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Posted on Monday, July 16, 2001 - 10:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Try Intervideo that has WinDVD, they are looking for people in all departments:
http://www.intervideo.com/jsp/Company.jsp?mode=Jobs
"For consideration, please send resume to email: ivihr@intervideo, fax (510) 651-8808, Attn: Human Resources Department. InterVideo Inc., is an Equal Opportunity Employer."

If you mention that their main competitor, PowerDVD, already has an (inferior) stereo implementation, and that you can help them to make a better solution, maybe they'll be more interested...
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ToxicX

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Posted on Monday, July 16, 2001 - 10:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

While you're at it, ask them all for bigger chances of actually landing a job...

CyberLink PowerDVD (already is stereo enabled, above/below MPEG2, for Eye3D customers):
http://www.gocyberlink.com/english/contacts/cl_offices.asp

Ravisent - CinePlayer
http://www.qi.com/careers/index.html

Former MediaMatics, now DVDExpress
http://www.national.com/appinfo/dvd/contact.html

RealNetworks that bought XingDVD:
http://proforma.real.com/rn/misc/jobs/index.html

MGISoft DVDMAX:
http://www.mgisoft.com/about/careers/index.asp

Varo Vision VaroDVD
http://www.varovision.com/sub7/index.html

C-Cube, hardware based MPEG players:
http://www.c-cube.com/employment.cfm
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OpenSource DVD player with HW Acc on some hardware:
http://www.linuxvideo.org/
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M.H.

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Posted on Tuesday, July 17, 2001 - 7:34 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Toxic: I was sending E-mails on all mentioned
links a year or so agou with sugestion for cooperation. They did not even respond.
Maybe time to try it again ...
I have studied the Linux open source
project as well ... Unfortunately it
was to dificul to port it to Windows
platform on withc i am more focused ...
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ToxicX

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Posted on Wednesday, July 18, 2001 - 7:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Here is another Linux/Solaris DVD player:
http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/groups/dvd/index.html

seems to be supporting most basic features but lacks some stuff.

Mention to the software companies that one of their rivals already has a 3D solution, do they really want to be #2?
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Anonymous

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Posted on Thursday, July 26, 2001 - 1:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Hi,

If you want to play a 3D DVD you need to rip it (without de-interlacing) and convert it to DivX format. Once it is in that format, 3DCombine can convert it to above/below or anaglyph or JPS etc. (www.3dcombine.com)

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