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Marvio

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Posted on Friday, May 16, 2003 - 8:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

It really looks like a great piece of equipament, every review I could find praises it, but you never know...
They are cheap enough though, so I guess I could "take the hit" it they turn out to be crap...

But just wondering though....
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sdy

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Posted on Monday, May 19, 2003 - 11:35 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

I hav one. Pretty neat. I'm not a gamer, but a progammer. You can download all the code needed to write for it yourself. With my 3D glasses, I have a program where objects are out in front of the screen, and I can grab one with the glove, pick it up and drop it off somewhere else. Also, progrms available that turn hand gestures into common commands for popular programs like Navigater, IE. etc.
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marvio

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Posted on Monday, May 19, 2003 - 6:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Thanks SDY

It's really amazing that they could put out such a good product for so little....

I love technology....
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Karsten

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Posted on Monday, May 19, 2003 - 8:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Could you provide a link for these "P4 Gloves"? I have never heard of that, and Google doesn't find anything useful either...
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sdy

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Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2003 - 1:44 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

www.essentialreality.com
Through the software, you can get yaw, pitch and roll, X,Y,Z and it has bend sensors on each finger. they read back 0-128. It comes with 3 games, my kid liked them.
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sdy

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Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2003 - 1:48 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Oh also, there's an IRC chat room on Gamesnet: P5-Gaming, but it's pretty dead.
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Karsten

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Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2003 - 5:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Thanks! Wow, that thing looks cool... but it seems it's not available where I live.. :-(
Or would anyone happen to know of a german retailer? :)

Karsten
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dago

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Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2003 - 1:08 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

I ordered it on their site.I'm from Italy and I've received it without problems.
Anyway the name is P5 ,not P4.

Cheers
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Anonymous

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Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2003 - 12:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Hi dago,
can you keep us updated with a review?
THX!
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Marvio

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Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2003 - 5:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Sorry! :)

I'm ordering one as we speak....
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Mike

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Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 2:04 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

sdy,

where can I find the programs you mentioned?
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sdy

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Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 11:42 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

They're my own. I'll put them on my web page today and post the link today.
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sdy

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Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 9:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Ok, they're on my web page at http://sdeyoreo.tripod.com
Click on "3D Programs" along the top.
On that page are 3 programs. You want the last, towards the bottom: "DX8GLOVE". Download it, unzip all the files into a folder and run DX8GLOVE. Put your glasses into page flipping mode.Put your glove off(push D button). What you'll see is a spinning cube, a blue cylinder and other pobjects. Only the cube & cylinder can be movved. You'll also see a small yellow diamond. Thats where your glove is. Touch the screen where the diamond and turn on the glove (push D again). Now when you move your hand, the diamond should track your hand. Reach for the cube. When your there, it stops spinning. Grab it with your thumb and finger and you'll be able to drag it somewhere else and let it go. It stays there and starts spinning again. Same with the cylinder. Other objects are stationary.
Remember, its not professional and needs work.
The glove's XYZ axis is not the same as the crt's XYZ, that needs work on. To move down the Z axis on the screen, you need to move your hand along the glove's reciever's Z axis, so the reciever placement is critical. Also the filter routine to filter the noisy glove data gets fooled by large fast movements.
The first 2 programs are for LCD glasses and your mouse. Try rhem too. Let me know what you think. I had fun writing all that code!
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Mike

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Posted on Friday, May 23, 2003 - 2:32 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

sdy,

Very nice thank you!
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sdy

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Posted on Friday, May 23, 2003 - 11:36 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Did they work ok? Like I say, I'm an amauter programmer and don't know how they'll work on different sytems.
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cybereality

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Posted on Wednesday, June 04, 2003 - 9:12 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

I tried the VR1 program on my p4 1.6 w/ G4 4600 and ELSA Revelators. The program seems to start in stereo mode, which was weird because I use the nVidia drivers which will make any DX/OpenGL program 3D. I still saw the 3D effect, but I dont see why the 3D would have to be preprogrammed.
Also, the detection of the glove was really bad. Maybe I didn't set it to zero correctly because the box was flying everywhere and off the screen. There are definately some bugs to sort out.
I will also be working on some demo p5 applications soon and I'll post when I have something. You've got a decent start though.
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cybereality

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Posted on Wednesday, June 04, 2003 - 9:12 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

I got the p5 glove and its pretty cool. Granted, there are almost no games that natively support it, but its still cool. You can use it to control the mouse in windows and in games. On the essential reality web site they have the SDK w/ example code and docs.
The accuracy could be better, but this is a low-end product so it is to be expected. You can get them now for $30 on TigerDirect (dont know if this is still valid) and I would recommed any VR hobbyist to pick one up, even if only as a collectors item.
The gloves use a wireless tranmitter and interfer with my wireless Revelators, so keep that in mind. Overall a decent product which will most likely gain popuarity in the home-brew scene.
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sdy

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Posted on Thursday, June 05, 2003 - 9:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Let me know when you've got some programs I can try. I've been real busy the last week, but I'm trying to understand how the deform a mesh with the golve like the Hand program or Knight. The glove reference frame vs the CRT 's really needs work on in my program. I had to program the 3D cause my driver for the glasses doesn't seem to create 3D from 2D DirectX. I have I-Art glasses which use Wicked 3D driver. I think the Win3D creates 3D from 2D, but I've haven't tried it. I'm a newbie here and any tidbits of info and much appreciated.
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crying

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Posted on Monday, August 04, 2003 - 5:34 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

You guys seems to have fun with your P5.. lol
mine is on the dust somewhere. i have try it 2 days, and i NEVER love them a little bit.
it s for now the badest buy of my life.
if you have fun great. maybe one day i will be super frost and try it again. ;)
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nickyj

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Posted on Monday, August 04, 2003 - 12:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Essential Reality is "essentially" out of business. Don't look for new support any time soon.
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amigo

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Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 1:00 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

...out of business?

I guess we'll be back to rigging PowerGloves :)
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Anonymous

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Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 1:41 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

They have moved to a new location and are not out of business.
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nickyj

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Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 3:40 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

yeah and they are out of money and their stock is worthless, staff is gone, support is nonexistent, product is on liquidation below cost and it's a couple guys hanging on by a thread. I consider that essentially out of business.
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Anonymous

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Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 10:44 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Where did you get this false information?
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Anonymous

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Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 12:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

False? Maybe you're just in the dark. Try looking up stock symbol ESSR. Worthless. Try looking at the last time they updated their supported software. Right now they support about 2 crappy games from 4+ years ago. Try looking at their forums and seeing if they have any A) Customers or B) staff responding to questions. That's just the tip of the iceberg, these guys are finished. Too bad you missed the Electronics Boutique liquidation sale, you could have picked one up for $49.95. This is no secret.
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Anonymous

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Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 12:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Really? Tiger still sells them

http://www.tigerdirect.com
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sdy

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Posted on Friday, August 08, 2003 - 11:55 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Good for programmers, bad for gamers? It's not a bad gadget if you have something to do with it. It's cool to program with. Writing DirectX 3D programs for glasses and gloves is real cool.

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