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Anonymoose

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Posted on Monday, May 12, 2003 - 7:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

After seeing an episode of .Hack and numerous advertisements for the Matrix last week, I got to thinking about the vast disjunct between the totally immersive virtual reality/cyberspace worlds of Hollywood (and Tokyo) and the rather limited capabilities of real VR, which looks like it's going to take decades to get the the Hollywood level, if it ever gets there.

I started wondering if anyone has done research into enhancing the "immersiveness" of
VR through hypnotism - relying on the mind's own imagination and capabilities for suspending disbelief instead of using vastly improved hardware.

Granted this wouldn't be practical for the average gamer, but it might be useful for the military/simulation people. You'd also, of course, still have to deal with haptics and so forth.

Has this ever been tried?
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Christoph Bungert (Admin)

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Posted on Monday, May 12, 2003 - 8:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

The military/simulation people, i.e. pilots and such, need a clean mind for their job, so hypnosis may not be an option

And the military has access to high-end 3D-projection and HMD's far superior to what we see in the consumer/semi-pro market.

Christoph
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M.H.

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Posted on Tuesday, May 13, 2003 - 11:14 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Even if you will use hypniosis or HMD you must create a virtual enviroment at a resolution corresponding to human eye resolution to achive required effect (total imersion) ...
It mean aproximately 6000x4000 pixels at 30 fps ... If the enviroment shoudl look realistic, you must use advanced enviroment modeling techniques (radiosity, raytracing) ...
It is possibel to aproximately calcluate the nessery computation power + combine it with Moore law for CPU power trends ...
I am getting about 50 years to achive Matrix like realism :-( ...
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Dago

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Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2003 - 1:12 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Try to smoke some pot and put on your HMD.It will increase immersion feeling by 1000%.HAHA

Cheers
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David Blaize

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Posted on Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 6:32 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

so true
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S.M.

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Posted on Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 11:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

I red article some time ago about device, which can keep you half wake while you are in dreaming state. This way you can hijack your own dream and you can give to it your own spin.
This device was sensing from eye movement are you in dreaming state and with vibrator it took you to half sleep state.
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nickyj

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Posted on Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 11:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

what is .hack?
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amigo

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Posted on Friday, September 05, 2003 - 2:22 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

You know, I think that VR will become a drug/addiction itself. Sort of an "escapism", a way to avoid the reality (usually problems of the real world of your own or others) and lose yourself for some time in imaginary realm.

Of course like any other drug when the effect wears of you are forced to cope with the issue of being back to reality and either wanting to go back to unreal or having withdrawals of not being able to (I bet it'll cost money just like drugs are today and one has to go "underground" to obtain them - for the later it'll be sort of an isolinear chips with 80 kiloquads of VR heheh)

And what about people who OD on VR ...
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joe

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Posted on Monday, September 22, 2003 - 8:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Read some william gibson or watch the movie STRANGE DAYS
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Anonymoose

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Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2003 - 9:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Nickyi asked what .hack is - It's a Japanese animated series (anime) that ran on the Cartoon network. It's about a guy who somehow gets his conciousness or spirit trapped in an online MMORPG gameworld. It takes place in the future when everyone uses VR equipment to play the game.

Amigo, your concern about VR becoming a drug-like addiction has already come to pass, in a way.
There are people around who spend so much time on online MMORPGs like Everquest that their real life goes to hell (i.e., failing grades, not enough time spent working or looking for work). Some people are even trying to sue the game companies.
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Anonymous

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Posted on Wednesday, July 20, 2005 - 8:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

interesting site
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Mikymike (Mikymike)
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Posted on Monday, May 22, 2006 - 8:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Hi, I don't think you can have a better result using hypnotism during 3D presentation.

Of course I didn't tried it with a subject, but base on my knowledge (I'm an hypnotherapist), I doubt to achieve better result whit hypnose than without.

When someone is in hypnose state, the brain don't analyse what you do, or what you see. The brain "conscious and analytic" part as we know it when we are awake, is only there to accept or reject hypnotic commands. The subconscious part of the brain (as when we sleep) is active and is the one who interact. If you suggest to someone to have a better immersion in the 3D world, yes the subconscious part may enhance the 3D immertion or imagine anything, but you will not enjoy it as if you was "awake", you will only "see it". Your subconscious will only get and see the information, without processing or analysing it. Analyse is part of the conscious brain, not the subconscious one.
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Andrea (Heandrea)
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Posted on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 7:02 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Hi Mikimike,
reading this old thread and your last message, I was wondering if VR could instead "help hypnotism".
I'm not an hypnotherapist, but I suppose you use the patient's sight and hearing to induce an hypnose state. Do you think that VR could help patients to reach such state, maybe even without a doctor, using particular images, videos and sounds?
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Mikymike (Mikymike)
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Posted on Saturday, June 03, 2006 - 5:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post

Ya I saw the date of the post after I wrote the reply, lol... I don't know if VR can't help hypnotism. I suppose that yes, you can probably use it, but will it be better than your imagination? I don't know. When you're in an hypnosis state, you can "see" thing as when you're dreaming. If you remember some of your dream, It was pretty vivid. i don't know if VR can have any impact on hypnosis. it's something to try. We surely can find a away to use VR in hypnosis efficiently.

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